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We Found One Of Jeffrey Epstein's Black Books Years Before The Recent 'Epstein Files' Controversy

Business Insider • 2025-07-26 • 10:19 minutes • YouTube

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This is Donald Trump's phone number in Jeffrey Epstein's personal little black book from the 1990s. In 2021, Business Insider obtained an address book no one had ever seen before. Jeffrey Epstein got away with what he got away with because of who was in his address book. What's interesting for us about this book is a a new cast of characters who we didn't previously know had interactions with or did business with them. While the Trump administration says it won't disclose more files on Epstein, the older address book reminds us of Epstein's vast connections to prominent figures, including Melania Trump's best friend, Christopher Cuomo's wife, and an adviser in the first Trump administration. Our first thought was to just do whatever we could to verify that it was real. We've obtained a copy of an address book that we believe belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. And your name and contact information are listed in the book. Hello. I'm a reporter for Insider. I'm just calling everybody who's in this address book who has not previously been publicly associated with Jeffrey Epstein. We needed to make sure it was a real artifact that really represented something about Jeffrey Epste and his connections to people. The story is not one that sounds exactly believable. Someone dropped Jeffrey Epstein's address book in the '90s and now belongs to some guy who lives on a farm in Vermont. [Music] I'm very careful not to put my fingerprints on the book, not to put any sort of DNA or hair or anything like that. My name is Christopher Halali. Where should I look? I currently live on my wife's farm. As a student of national security issues, imperialism, I was fascinated by the Jeffrey Epstein case. There are names that are highlighted and I think one of the most notable highlighted names is uh former President Donald Trump. My name is Denise Ando. Tada. And I believe I found the books sometime in the '9s. Walking along Fifth Avenue and I just noticed a small black book on the sidewalk. So, you're pretty sure that it was somewhere between 54? Yes, it could have been here or there. We have spoken extensively with Denise and we found her story to be credible. I saw the book, picked it up, glanced through it. Damn, it was filled with names like Kennedy, Rockefeller, Trump, etc. And it was like, whoa, this is bizarre. So, I kept it for the New York City artifact that it was. Did you know who Jeffrey Epstein was at the time? No. When I rediscovered the book last year, it was like, "Holy, it's Jeffrey Epstein." A Manhattan billionaire arrested yesterday on federal sex trafficking charges. Accusations from indecent exposure to inappropriate touching to rape. I went to tips at New York Times. I sent something to to Rachel Madd. I just figured nobody was interested. Come the end of November, I really needed breaks for my car and I didn't have enough money. And I thought, "What the hell?" You know, you Jeffrey Epstein, you know, you you paid for my breaks. So, I put it on eBay. It was right there for everybody to see. Most people would think it's a fake or a forgery. I took the risk. When I received the book in the mail, my heart was nearly jumping out of my my chest. You know, I felt like Indiana Jones. It's a dark book. It's a book that I think has a lot of suffering behind it, a lot of pain, a lot of evil some would say. I felt that it was important for people to see who Epstein knew and what sort of network of power was behind him. Right now, I'm packaging the book for forensic analysis and handing it off to a team of journalists. if it comes back and it's not authentic. U it's a pretty awesome forgery. I have to say one of the moments in the public waking up to the magnitude of his crimes was the publication in 2015 of an address book belonging to Jeffrey Epstein. And what was stunning about it was it contained the names of Donald Trump and Mc Jagger, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, and it sort of woke people up to the fact that this was a guy who had access to the halls of power. Our reporting also found about 220 new names that didn't appear in this other address book. If someone were to concoct a fake book to trick journalists, they would start by taking those names from the other public little black book and putting them in this one. So, we start by sort of correlating the names and then we just started calling people in the book whose names have not been previously associated with Jeffrey Epstein. Hello. Hi. I'm trying to reach Elena Cayam. This is she. Hi, I'm calling for Suzanne Urcha. Would you be able to connect me with her? For who? I'm trying to reach Joan Severance. We don't currently represent Joan. The number you dialed is not in service. I'm trying to reach Michael Cutlip. This is he. Elena Barbakova. Who's calling? I'm working on a story about an address book that we believe belonged to Jeffrey Epstein. Do you mind if I'm recording this call? Dad, do you mind? Okay, give me one second. Yeah, I haven't seen this book Jeffrey since the late '9s. For them to say, um, yes, I knew him in the '90s gives credence to the idea that the book is real. It's not the case that everybody who was in his address book was an enabler of Jeffrey Epstein. It's more adding to the body of knowledge to keep chipping away at the mystery. She was not interested in speaking. These are some of the prominent names we reached out to. None of them had ever been publicly associated with Epstein before. Suzanne Urcha, Melania Trump's best friend. She later married Woody Johnson, who now owns the New York Jets. Carl Icon, special adviser to Donald Trump during his presidency. Christina Grieven, the wife of Christopher Cuomo. Jill Hearth accused Donald Trump of sexual assault. Steven Ratner led Barack Obama's efforts to resuscitate Detroit. Marty Perez, longtime mentor to former Vice President Al Gore. Les Gelb was a legendary New York Times columnist. Sandy Warner was the chairman and CEO of JP Morgan until 2000. Billionaire John Katsimentatitis um who told us that he offered Epstein a ride and Epstein sent him a three-foot bottle of champagne and thanks. And this just goes to show that in the 1990s he was sort of cultivating a much larger orbit that we can see evidence later on. How you doing? Good. How are you? We also engaged the services of a forensic examiner who's familiar with authenticating documents. I was cautious because I didn't want to cross over into a area that the FBI was uh investigating. My name is Dennis Ryan and I'm a forensic document examiner. I'm confident that the book is probably circa 1995 to 2000. One of the factors was the Gastner imprint that's on the VO bind. Their organization was certainly out of production by 1998 to 2000. It would be very difficult to make up a book with that imprint. The most important thing is the change in the area code. So here's Donald Trump's entry in the 1990s address book. You can see that his Palm Beach phone numbers feature a 407 area code. Now if we look at Trump's entry in the address book from the early 2000s, you can see that he has the same phone numbers listed for Palm Beach but with a different area code 561. And that area code was introduced in 1996. Jeffrey Epste is still such a mystery over a year after he's died. Accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein is dead. Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning whether his death was a suicide. I think my biggest takeaway is that Epstein had an extremely large sphere of influence and we're not even sure about the true extent of it. I think this book elaborates on that in a different era, a different time, and with some different people that we didn't know were a part of that circle that eventually became a part of the reason that Jeffrey Epstein could get away with raping and abusing women and girls. And I think it's important to keep in mind how power is able to avoid accountability. And the more we can remember what Epstein's actions represent, the more we can prevent people from escaping accountability now and in the future. [Music] [Laughter] What a weird turn of events. How serendipitous the whole thing has played out. Unbelievable. I just remember having that thought. Should I keep this? If it was a heavy something or other, I probably would have tossed it. I think it's an interesting story. You know, one book with the FBI, one book on the farm. That's fascinating. [Music] [Music]